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December 12, 2012

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"They used to order non-believes burned at the stake. This could start happening again."

Are you f---ing serious? It's hard to take you seriously sometimes.

And to claim that Catholics "believe that the pope speaks with the voice of God" is incredibly ignorant. Catholic doctrine is that the Pope's teachings are infallible, i.e. divinely protected from error, when given ex cathedra (from the teacher's chair, the chair of Peter, i.e. in his official capacity as an apostle and head of all the bishops). That's a far cry from believing he speaks for God. It's also very rare for a Pope to issue a dogma ex cathedra.

I don't think there'll be any stake burnings due to Pope tweets.

I'm pretty sure this post is a joke, but: the majority of Catholics don't listen to the pope or follow canon law. Conservative Catholics like SSPXers and sedevacantists don't even believe the pope is the pope anyway, so they won't be following him on twitter.

Time to stock up on sticks and matches.

No, the Pope did not order non-believers burned at the stake. There were Catholic countries 500 years ago with laws against advocating heresy, and a few heretics were burned by the civilian authorities. Yes, there was no free speech back then.

You're not a Catholic siggy so what difference does it make to you what he says? And yeah the rank and file hasn't paid much attention since Humanae Vitae, to their detriment.

OT. HS any thoughts on the mysterious murder/hit in midtown Manhattan on Monday afternoon...

The security cam photo looks like a black male gunman and a very light-skinned black male victim. The victim is a law student from LA w/ an upper middle class upbringing, but w/ 20 arrests of his own.

NYT - Tracing a Victim’s Path in Life to a Brazen Killing in Midtown.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/12/nyregion/police-release-video-in-killing-of-brandon-lincoln-woodard.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&adxnnl=1&ref=todayspaper&adxnnlx=1355332262-1nqAPwTQnfOShozy23qLmA

HS, have you listened to any rabbi sermons lately? Let's just say the bigotry and hatred of the other isn't coming from any popes.

[HS: Even a third-rate Hollywood celebrity has more twitter followers than all Rabbis combined. Who cares what they are saying?]

HS: "Even a third-rate Hollywood celebrity has more twitter followers than all Rabbis combined. Who cares what they are saying?"

The corridors of power and their propaganda machines are not run on the fuel of twitter followers.

[HS: Obama has almost as many followers as Lady GaGa.]

They used to order non-believers burned at the stake. This could start happening again.

Um, it already has started happening again.

HS, don't you ever get tired of being wrong? You really aren't the best example of Judaism when it comes to the intellectual-department when you make such statements.

As others has already stated, "...the pope speaks with the voice of God..." is totally incorrect. We Catholics really don't care if you dislike our Faith, but please, at least dislike us for what we actually are, and what we actually teach and preach.

Gentiles don't go around with distorted views of Judaism, please at least show the same courtesy.

The Pope has only spoken "ex cathedra" on the two Marian Dogmas, and that was also in communion with the Bishops around the world. In the 2000 year history of the Church that averages out to once per millennium.

"They used to order non-believers burned at the stake. This could start happening again."

Nope. It won't, especially in this environmentally-PC day and age where the Pope has worked hard to bring down the Vatican's carbon-footprint.

As an aside, the inquisition and their courts were just for Catholics. If you were not a Catholic, they didn't care about you. You had more rights in a court of an inquisition than you do in a modern traffic court.

Are the tweets in Latin?

Or is this yet more Vatican II vernacular BS? If I want Spanish, d@mm!t, I'll go the the noon Mass.

Given that the Pope tells Catholics not to use birth control, and yet their average family size is under 3, I don't think you need to worry about much.
Hysterical is too kind a word.

Now Vatican I, THERE was a Council!

Quote: "Um, it already has started happening again"

Where? The only religious leaders I see calling for executions of non-believers are Islamic ones.

It is funny that you are worried about the Pope calling for the execution of non-Catholics when you wrote recently that you think a great videogame would involve Jews killing gentiles.

[HS: That was in pre-Christian times, so all of the gentiles were idol worshippers.]

"Given that the Pope tells Catholics not to use birth control..."

30% of women who get abortions are Catholic. And then there is Bridgette Dunlap who is so helpless she can't walk off campus for a pack of condoms. This isn't a heretic-burning crowd we're talking about here.

"They used to order non-believers burned at the stake. This could start happening again."

If they wanted to burn non-believers at the stake they could probably power a city for a week just by starting with pretend-Catholic politicians.

I would like to nominate my own governor Martin O'Malley but any old Kerry or Pelosi will do as kindling to get things started.

[Disclaimer to anyone monitoring these Interwebs: No actual threat is made or intended, just a member of the oppressed indulging in a happy fantasy.]

As a Roman Catholic, I have mixed feelings on the tweets, but I doubt he will be using narcissistic social media to discuss doctrine. The RCC may just well be the last line of defence against the cult of "pay attention to me!!" rampant in society. Hbd ppl should look to it as a means to preserve order and family cohesion and oddly enough, so should SWPL types because no other active church (mainline Protestant churches lost active status decades ago) promotes bottom-up social justice like the RCC does. I've spent time around Evangelicals and I feel as though most of them don't care about the poor. And they're all very pro-life, yet very anti welfare state. Paul Ryan was more admired by the Rick Warren types than us.

Hbd'ers wont support the RCC though, because the Church sympathises heavily with "NAM's". But consider this, most lay Catholics are pro-contraception, more secular with regards to government, and many of us are not very concerned with the gay marriage and abortion issues.

If a return to the Dark Ages happens, it will not be because of us.

What is this "GaGa"? I think you mean Gaga.

The Internet is where religion goes to die. The Vatican (pope- lower case because I’m nearer to God than he is) has had a You Tube account for years, and to further their stench of faked infallibility they block all ratings and comments and seemingly ignore all e-mail while at the same time critics of the church allow dissent, comments and ratings and that makes those who deny Catholicism the more compassionate belief!

The church only gets a small fraction of the YouTube viewers that Catholic critical posters like Edward Current gets as the Vatican ignores all the criticism and continues with their demonstrably false claim of infallibility. Catholicism appeals mainly to people of lower IQ’s (proven fact) and belief in God has gotten man into far more wars than it has prevented, and so Catholicism has proven to be a form of mental frailness that is an unhealthy influence on society. Also need I mention that the Vatican was exposed as being the largest and longest running group to protect child molesters in the history of the world? I could go on and on just discussing their fallibility, corruption, and cover-ups; and frankly even the value of their missionary work is highly suspect because they only help in ways that foster dependence, they preach prayer instead of teaching agriculture, they praise faith instead of teaching hygiene, and they preach “no birth control” to those who need it most…

Credo In Unum Deum: Papal infallibility was not put into place until 1870, so it's a little misleading to say "once per millenium!" And inquisitors were allowed to torture, which I'm pretty sure they don't do in traffic court. Only Catholics? The Spanish Inquisition went after Protestants, don't know about other inquisitions.

LeSocialCritique--there's room to disagree on this, but it appears to me as though the Church very much wants to move backward in time right now. JP2 and B16 have been stocking the church with the Catholic equivalent of bible-thumping fundamentalists. They're cracking down on yoga. Yoga! It will be very interesting to see how this plays out over the next generation.

The pope today is only slightly to the right of Lady Gaga! Don´t worry, there are no burnings at the stake planned for Protestants and Jews in the near future.

@Meh

JP2, a fundamentalist? Whatever u say. B16 *could * be I suppose.

Secularists really need to get over their fear of Christianity. There's no Medieval Recreationist plot, and even if there was , today's populous wouldn't back it.

"LeSocialCritique--there's room to disagree on this, but it appears to me as though the Church very much wants to move backward in time right now. JP2 and B16 have been stocking the church with the Catholic equivalent of bible-thumping fundamentalists. They're cracking down on yoga. Yoga! It will be very interesting to see how this plays out over the next generation. "

I had a priest in one of his homilies rail about a pentagram (presumably right-side up) on military tombstone denoting the deceased religious affiliation (paganism/Wicca) once that he read about in news article. Overall, I liked that guy, but I thought that was asinine to bring that up, since I did not find it particularly offense and quite compatible with the secular concept of freedom of religion.

Not the mention that the current parish has a freaking Christmas tree up now. That's pagan too!!

Sheila D, you seem both shrill and ignorant. First, I get the feeling from your comment that you don't actually understand the term "infallibility." It doesn't mean the Pope is sinless. It doesn't even mean he's a good person; indeed there have been several popes who were downright wicked. It simply means that when teaching ex cathedra, he is unable to teach theological error. So I'm not sure how a commenter on YouTube is going to undermine the Pope's infallibility or how the claim to infallibility is "demonstrably false" (why don't you demonstrate it for us?). My guess is they block comments because they get a lot of harassment from ignorant and angry people and don't feel like spending the time deleting them one by one.

As for their missionary work, it's not as if the Church can't perform both spiritual and corporal works of mercy; e.g. contrary to what you assert, they can preach prayer AND teach agriculture.

Most of the rest of your statement is just blowing smoke. You offer no support for any of your assertions (lower IQs, belief causes more wars than it prevents, etc.), as if any of these could be "proven" anyway.

God bless.

[HS: The average Catholic has lower IQ than the average mainline Protestant.]

LeSocialCritique,

You're a Catholic HBDer... cool! I primarily like the psychometrics stuff concerning the utility of intelligence in occupational achievement, credential signaling, and intellectual accomplishment, but with less of a racial focus along with the Venerable Half Sigma's unique insights on class.

You should respect the Catholic Church's position on life issues, since it did not originate out of political exigency (much like the fundamentalist and Evangelical concern with being pro-life), but of a genuine understanding that all human life is created by God. I am not politically pro-life, even though I am philosophically pro-life, because I most certainly do not believe that hampering access to abortion through legislation would demonstrate love of God or neighbor, or advance the Kingdom of God.

BTW, I am going to give up reading the blog on Lent, so I could be a more devoted disciple of Christ, instead of Half Sigma. Loving God and our neighbor with all our hearts, mind, and soul, and trusting in the mercy and grace of God to render us worthy of the beatific vision is more important than mundane concerns of getting into an Ivy or living away from the noisome NAMs and proles, even though I may not like I really believe that at times.
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all of the gentiles were idol worshippers

What's wrong with that? Christianity, Judaism, and Islam portray idolatry as a monstrous evil, but it's just a bunch of goofballs bowing down in front of statues. As far as evils go, it ranks somewhere below forgetting to floss.

"The average Catholic has lower IQ than the average mainline Protestant."

The amerindians and veuxdeux islanders no doubt drag down the Catholic mean.

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